This has always been my complaint about dying and going into nonexistence and then resurrected. If we go into "Non existence", then the person is done, gone. So when resurrected they are a new creation with the software plugged back in. They say we would be alive in Jehovah's memory and he would recreate an exact copy. A copy is still a copy. The original is GONE. Resurrection always sounded stupid to me.
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At what point would you lose your consciousness and reality?? (really being explored on TV shows now)
by Bad_Wolf inmany recent shows and movies are showing and exploring people having their consciousness absorbed into digital form or transplanted to younger clone bodies to extend life.
parts of our brain can be cut or damaged, but we are still us.
our bodies can be replaced with artificial limbs but we are still us.
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I told my parents I no longer believe any teachings of JWs
by Fognomore insince my last post i have spoke with my parents and told them i am no longer a believer.
i told them i just can't anymore.
here is my short story.
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It's a big decision and I applaud you honesty and courage in making it. I guess it could make you nuts if you didn't. I wish you peace with all your family and hope they are slackers when it comes to shunning. Good luck fognomore.
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Enlighten me If you can
by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara inconfusing standards or hodge podge?.
what is this about beards i never got the hang of from day one?
are beards ok or not?.
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Wasanelder Once
The main reason I understood that it was not recommended is that it does not represent the look of a minister of God. They said that if our appearance were a stumbling block to others it was unacceptable. In the 60's in the U.S. a beard was a symbol of rebellion. As ministers we would not want to portray rebelliousness like Satan.
A brother I knew in the 1990's who came from Germany originally had a van dyke beard. They were on him about it and he said, "its OK in Germany and there are no hippies anymore so I'm keeping it". He did, but they wouldn't let him serve in any capacity. He said he didn't really care about the beard but he loved making the brothers crazy so he kept it. My kind of guy. He was a born in too by the way. He had a stubborn German streak in him.
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The Society even admitted they had a problem with their pedophile leaders.
by new boy inoh, yes, the society even admitted they had a problem with their leaders.
a january 1, 1986 watch tower article (p. 13) stated: “shocking as it is, some who have been prominent in jehovah’s organization have succumbed to homosexuality and child molesting.” .
in the watchtower article, they didn’t disclose the rest.
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Didn't any of you regard some CO's and DO's as "prominent" in Jehovah's "Organization"? I don't think that they were necessarily intimating it was a GB member, just anyone with prominence. I'm not defending, just pointing out that we can't fixate on what we want to expect. The sheer fact that they never take responsibility for ANYTHING done wrong by them is enough to believe they were not referring to themselves.
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Grief
by dogisgod inhaving been raised in the troof i have no idea how to grieve.
it seems to never leave.
time helps but it is so horrible for so long..
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Wasanelder Once
Grieve what? Death? Learning the truth about the Truth and the subsequent realization you've pissed away a lot of your life? Gotta be a little more specific. Thanks.
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Joke Sharing Thread
by Vanderhoven7 ingot a good joke or two?
why not share them.
here is a fun one.. retirement can be fun.
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Wasanelder Once
A German is trying to to make his way to Paris
At the border, the French customs agent asks him
“Name?”
“Hans Mueller.”
“Place of residence?”
“Munich.”
“Occupation?”
“No, just vacation this time.”
How are peanut butter and jelly related?
They're inbred
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Active JW's: If asked, can you explain/defend this belief?
by The Fall Guy inas all jw's and awakened ex-jw's know, the very existence of the religion is dependent on people's belief that the "holy trinity" of the wtbts, the ccojw, and the governing body (aka the organization) were personally selected by god/christ.. 1) mr. rutherford claimed that this divine choosing occurred circa 1919, and that all anointed members were personally chosen by god/christ to be the faithful slave.
2) in 2013 this long-held, "profound scriptural truth" was discarded by apostates in brooklyn (the present-day governing body) when they personally decided that only gb members were chosen by god/christ to be the faithful slave.
(wt july 2013, p.22, par.
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Even Rutherford accepted Russell's mantle of being chief provider of spiritual food.
For all my childhood and most of my adulthood, the Governing Body was officially NOT exclusively the Faithful Slave specifically. They taught the Watchtower was simply the legal entity being used by "part" of the full body of anointed who made up a "Faithful Slave" class who spiritually fed their brothers worldwide. The position was important but the Governing body was not supposed to be better than any other anointed ones. Oddly enough, despite this everyone referred to them as THE "Faithful Slave" and most viewed them as such. The concept of a faithful slave composed of thousands of non contributors was absurd and nonsensical. The "New Light" of a Governing Body Faithful Slave actually makes better PR. Still a cult.
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These days it not really that hard being a witness.
by I believe in overlapping inif you are a true believer, then you are toast.
because you will be a slave to everything the watchtower, circuit overseers, elders, pioneers, imply.
believe me, there are not many true believers anymore, and the majority of them are old.
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It has always been that there are city mice and country mice in the organization. Congregations have personalities, permissive and restrictive. In one they discouraged colored shirts and in another they had no problem with alcohol at weddings. I can see that getting worse as new members adapt their old ways to their new faith. No matter what congregation you are in, if you hide who you are and what you do you may not suffer the consequences. In others all you have to do is be seen with a white pen in your mouth from a distance and end up with a JC for smoking. This happened here! So funny. Morons.
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Don't give them 2019
by snare&racket ini am writing the post i have wanted to write for some time.
it's a heartfelt note to those still attending meetings, still caught between the lines of watchtower and the world.
those with kids or a spouse in the society..... despite being mentally out....those who have weighed up that there is too much to lose in leaving.
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Points well taken. Please, please, please edit your work. If you are in academia you know that its critical to make it clear. Concise is good too. Better two medium posts than one epic tome. Many will not read it all, too bad. Glad you posted this. Post again leaving us hungry for more.
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The Most Annoying Song In The World
by pale.emperor inthe most annoying song in the world... we're jehovah's witnesses.. can anyone beat this?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13fpygqs_ug&t=85s.
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You can't beat this one. Just read the lyrics. Does anyone remember this one? I was a kid and thought it was the worst, So warped! Rupert Holmes wrote it and it hit 17 on the top 100 for a few weeks. SO DUMB!